Is there ANY hope for game streaming? We tried them all.

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    There are so many game streaming services popping up, with so many idiosyncrasies, that it’s hard to keep it all straight. In this video, James takes Linus through a tour testing GeForce Now, Google Stadia, Microsoft Project Xcloud, and Sony PlayStation Now to see which one makes the most sense...except we didn't try Shadow.
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    1. Da$hLife

      who tf really looks for fps

    2. Oussama Okbi

      "It's the blacks that look the most different to me" Excuse me what? xD

    3. Hunter Sheppard

      Is there any way to play warzone on a laptop using a streaming service?

    4. Martin Parunakyan

      Moonlight, Parsec, Steam Link. I use them weekly anywhere I can get 10mbps and a 5GHz or direct connection and have time to kill.

    5. GG Gamer

      When you run on 1080- and now Linus is running on 720p LOOK WHOS DA BOSS!

    6. crazydm7th

      I would use shadowtech over any of these systems shown in this video.

    7. Omoyele Richmond

      Am I the only one that doesn't care about graphics ?

    8. Sayandip Dhali

      "I play Halo with a dualshock" *Microsoft has left the chat*

    9. Adrian lambert

      Xbox one is pointless as most all of those games are available on PC anyway. PS games mostly aren't!

    10. eitsu_

      Geforce now is pretty good I have 100mb/s and I play games competitevily and I dont have any problems

    11. mikea hiooi

      " We tried them All" Never mentioned or paperspace.

    12. Ben W

      Cause I’m Australia I already know none of these will work with 25mbs internet

    13. IRMacGuyver

      Not only is playstation now from 2014 it's a rebranding of OnLive which first launched in 2010. Cause I guess Sony couldn't be bothered to do it themselves?

    14. Ben Fullgrabe

      All this really confirms is that Linus is TERRIBAD at gaming.

      1. mikea hiooi

        everyone has a perfect connection. If you think we're stupid enough to give them that kind of control. The hunger game mentality has to stop.

    15. SaVii

      So screw social distancing?

    16. subscribe to me or your ultra mega Gay

      Has Linus heard of aiming?

    17. zbirdzell

      You totally forgot about PS4 Remote play. Which is 1080p gaming at a higher refresh rate that you can play on Android or PC. It's like having Nvidia Gforce Now, but free and unlimited. Any game I buy I can play anywhere.

    18. Nick Hyde

      I’ve been tempted to try out stadia, simply because I don’t have much of anything to play on in my tiny apartment, and I want to try Red Dead 2... but it worries me, I mean I’d be happy to play it on stadia, just to say that I played stadia, but google hasn’t exactly even reliable in the past, and I don’t want to buy something if it could seemingly get dropped at any moment.

    19. Romain Rochas

      Welles tu forgot Shadow pc (Who is THE french cloud cumputing that ou need to have) check it

    20. Yousef Alzanoon

      I use geforce now and it sucks how the developers take off their games for no reason.

    21. ΞProgenitorΞ

      Its shit. its a gimmick let it die.

    22. flioink

      Yeah, let's make gamers pay for the games and not even have their copy in their house. Let's charge them subscription fee to access their copy of a product on our platform. Sounds fantastic, sign me right in for this scam - fuck off!

    23. Santiago Vazquez

      No mention of Shadow? I'm in love with the service, streaming a whole windows PC where I can play my huge Steam library at high or ultra high settings :)

    24. Costa Apostolou

      social distance...

    25. Dismal Canuck

      Playstation now does have a pc app

    26. Harris Bokhari

      ok but can it run crysis

    27. Action Walch

      Linus, why do you have to be a hunter main

    28. Clayton Thomas

      so wait, you can't use a playstation controller with PS Now on PC?

    29. Zeek M

      There's no hope for game streaming because we're not about to let our game experience be controlled by evil greed corp. They want us to pay them for doing that to us. They want to lock gaming up behind a licensing pay wall. All while spying on you for the NSA Online gaming is a scam not an equal playing field for everyone at the network level. Not everyone has a perfect connection. If you think we're stupid enough to give them that kind of control. The hunger game mentality has to stop.

    30. Apropos Racer

      Destiny 2 is free. “Did we have to buy this? No it was included with the bundle” thank goodness for that game bundle.

    31. Anthony Ciuffini

      On a 1080p tv using Stadia with HDR off Destiny 2 actually looks really good and performs way better. Yes it's unfortunate Bungie couldn't get 4k 60 working. Whether that's Google's fault or Bungie I can't say.

    32. Patrick Vargo

      Bad review. How did you miss Shadow? That would be like a video where Car and Driver reviewed all car manufacturers and forgot Toyota. Shadow is by far the best game streaming service - it's essentially a VDI, so you can even sorta use it for other stuff. I forgot PlayStation Now even existed.

    33. sam rowland

      1,000 Dislikes from people who believed the hype and thought they'd have an RTX 2080 in their front room for £100

    34. ---x-

      what about 5G? won't it make this possible

    35. Miloš Vukadinović

      <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="114">1:54</a> PLAYSTATION ONE?

    36. Ξ Y T H Λ X

      shadow win

    37. SpixlyTV

      If I could afford a nice new pc I’d be able to not use GeForce now

    38. elPumaProductions

      Stadia also offers 4k and 5.1 surround audio in their pro subscription. Nvidia and PSNow tops at 1080p stereo.

    39. elPumaProductions

      How about Shadow or Utomik? Shadow seems promising. But it's a shame they're not expanding so fast

    40. Noah Leitch

      stadia acts like when you turn vsync on in csgo or l4d2

    41. Tony ???

      He doesn't know about half the shit he talks about.

      1. monika laosi

        signal tho, GeForce Now is a better option because it lowers the streaming quality to reduce tearing and decrease input lag

    42. Andrew Gray

      No one ever mentions Parsec, but (with its own limitations) Parsec is exactly what it promises and what it claims to be. It's literally renting time on a virtual machine that can stream as much video and audio as your connection will handle, at latencies tied directly to your average number of hops between your PC and the server your VM is running on. I have no affiliation with them, and haven't used the service in a while. I mostly signed up for it out of curiosity. Their graphics-streaming-capable VMs run on AWS or Paperspace servers at a datacenter as geographically (and internet-infrastructurally) close to you as possible. In Seattle, I had ping times between 15 and 35ms. A lot of games with pretty decent graphics are solidly playable, even considering that graphics latency is far more sensitive than data latency. When I'd be signed in, I'd have traceroutes of five or six hops -- but at least theoretically, it's possible to bring that as low as four -- your router, your ISP, the datacenter and the VM server. What you get is a Windows virtual machine. Not a walled garden you have to pay extra to play games in. It's a windows VM. The environment comes with Steam already installed -- and you can sign into the Steam client with your own account. You can install software locally on your virtual drive. You can, and I did, install and run Dwarf Fortress. It was kinda cool to have a moderately- powerful VM running DF's world generation to make 1000-year histories. Competitive shooters are probably not good on Parsec, or any game where maximum responsiveness is critical -- but that limitation is shared by everyone in the space. The sickening part is that when Google announced Stadia, I assumed that it would be something like Parsec -- who, if anyone, can hit that theoretical four-hop goal? Hell, if this kind of thing caught on, Google could probably eliminate the ISP and bring it down to three hops. How they managed to mess this up I can't even. Yeah, Parsec won't do much for handhelds or for people who don't have high-bandwidth ultra-low-latency connections. But imagine the market forces pushing for low latency if something like a VM service were to catch on. With parsec, I paid for actual use time -- plus a nominal storage fee between sessions. If I told it to wipe my virtual drive when I signed out, it had zero ongoing maintenance cost when I was not signed in. The overall value prop at the time was just a tiny bit more than buying a gaming laptop every 18 months. Not a world-breaker by any stretch. But it or services like it deserve mention when talking about game streaming.

      1. monika laosi

        I play GeForce Now on my Moto Z3 w/Moto controller mod via 4G all the time. You don't need a controller on GeForce now tho, because it has an on-screen controller option. I

    43. Kevin Vilbig

      It is a bad idea from first principles.

    44. nuB

      "HDR" Destiny 2 is free. Just do some dang latency, and video compression tests. That's where the sacrifice is with these services.

    45. Kyle Leppard

      project Xcloud is brilliant, i play on my tab s6 and it runs so smoothly and i love it

    46. Chris Solis

      SHadow PC is much better than any of these. Just saying..

    47. TapNaporSnap

      SHADOW VM. #endrant

    48. Curtis Larsen

      James: "A Shield is the only way you can use GeForce NOW on a TV" Riley: "Hold my Nintendo Switch"

      1. Garry is Gay

        me: "hold my laptop connected to my tv via hdmi"

    49. bilias hour

      bluetooth controllers. Normally bluetooth interference isn't such a big deal, but in this case it will render games unplayable.

    50. Overseer76

      Almost. You were ALMOST living the dream of playing Halo on an Apple device with a PlayStation controller!

    51. literal doc

      I wonder what the RGB range on the stadia is. Could possibly lead to no details in the blacks

    52. GamE FrEak

      I really hope n pray Game streaming will never happen.

      1. GamE FrEak

        @bilias hour I LOVE.Samurau Showdown. Bought it on SWITCH

      2. bilias hour

        min 10, noobs they dont know how to pick up the sword in samurai shodown (they are too young, they never played the neo geo original game) nooooobbbsssss

    53. Bonnie Slovaski

      So Linus replace Luke with James after he got fat?

    54. NyBSfP —

      When I was in HS (mid 90’s), most people had one system if at all and just a few PC games here or there. So you would mostly end up watching your friends play video games or taking turns chatting on AOL, Instant Messenger, random early website boards. And it was the worst. Absolutely boring AF. Nothing about the advancement of technology and reduced costs / increased access of it all would have led me to believe we’d not only end up back there, but that it would also turn into the trend. But here we are, a quarter of a century later, with Twitch, Twitter, etc... I will never understand.

    55. Sangram Mukherjee

      Okay google... Pick up my sword...😂😂

    56. Jon Axford

      One thing the Phil Spencer just talked about was making use of xCloud to trial games on GamePass, so you can see if you would enjoy the game before committing to downloading it, which I think is a great idea

    57. Z. Murray

      I play GeForce Now on my Moto Z3 w/Moto controller mod via 4G all the time. You don't need a controller on GeForce now tho, because it has an on-screen controller option. I also play Xbox Game streaming pretty regularly with the same setup, the input lag and video quality is usually better, as long as you have a really good signal. If you have poor signal tho, GeForce Now is a better option because it lowers the streaming quality to reduce tearing and decrease input lag

    58. Leonardo Ribeiro de Almeida

      I would love to see you trying Stadia on Chrome, using a keyboard and mouse.

    59. Russell Gillan

      Definately give Shadow Tech a go, I've recently got my upgrade for 30 quid a month im getting 1TB SSD, RTX 2080 , 16GB ram and a 6 core CPU. I was needing to upgrade my PC but this is a better, cheaper alternative. and i can take it everywhere (even my crap work laptop!)

    60. 向天翊

      It’s funny how Linus’s expectation goes down the more streaming services he tries. Geforce NOW: “ *1080p with 60 fps, or 720p with 120fps* ” Linus: “Nah no 720p” “Why can’t we use 4K” “They aren’t giving us that much graphics resources” “What is this anti-aliasing” “You see this latency though?” Playstation NOW: “ *720p, 60fps and pc only* ” Linus: “ *You know, it actually doesn’t look that bad* “

    61. Moose

      I use steamlink to game when I am away from my rig. Playing smaller titles or the like on my mobile (like when I commute). I get the appeal for these services, but for me I'd say as an extension to how I game.

    62. mybrainmelted

      ...did he really just call haohmaru RYU? ....:\

    63. Gergő Fábián

      <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="870">14:30</a> Or just plug your computer into your tv...

    64. Time Gaming

      You should not cut them some slack because everyone doesn't have good wifi streaming is manly good for people in good areas and or have paid extra for better connection and you also need to pay extra for games

    65. Cancer Stick

      the only reason i dont want these services to take over the market is because i like having hardware and building my pc's lol

    66. Harry Meyer

      What about Shadow PC??

    67. Emanuele Bignone

      min 10, noobs they dont know how to pick up the sword in samurai shodown (they are too young, they never played the neo geo original game) nooooobbbsssss

    68. Adam Selene

      Why do people get used to paying more and getting less?

      1. Adam Selene

        @joemck85 I am not against streaming in itself, for gaming, video, audio, VR, or whatever else. But the price should reflect what you get. Prices should be lowered to reflect compromises to make services good values. For example, if you have to choose just one video streaming service, choose the one that gives you the most of what you want to watch for the lowest price.

      2. joemck85

        While I agree with the sentiment, I can also see using a service like these if I didn't want to spend even more all at once to buy a decent gaming PC or console. Or even if I did, but also wanted to play my games on the go using a phone or cheap lightweight laptop.

    69. Ken STACKS

      <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="612">10:12</a> ...did he say Riyuu? Like how they mentioned it in the Street FIghter movie?

    70. Patrick Seitz BlackyRay

      this video comes a bit late. GFN is already sold out. There is only a free tier left.... Did you guys start gaming mode on your TV? Because it doesnt look so.

    71. Good one!

      How about you test it on "normal people" internet 😐

    72. jazzmickge1

      I don't think its a fair real world test based on LMG internet bandwidth. They should do the test again at their home on a normal domestic connection to really see if it's still functional. And also to see if bandwidth creates more graphics distortion or even lag and drop-outs.

      1. monika laosi

        Its like gaming in 2010

    73. Chris Santana

      Xx'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. x cloud and that's what I have to say about the subject

      1. monika laosi

        it's so adorable. James is like a son explaining tech to his dad hahaha

    74. PatrykMCMania

      wait playstation 1 controllers are Bluetooth hahahhahahahh ohhh linus u goof ball :P

    75. Johnathan Dearnaley

      The only way for #lienus to play games on a system he is capable of setting up is Stadia. Don't @ me.

    76. Comedy Xd


    77. MrAdam802

      Xcloud is best of all.

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    79. praetorxyn

      I don't think doing this from an office with a (probably prioritized) 1+ Gigabit connection is fair. That being said, if you ask me, for any "Netflix of gaming" to have any sort of chance at taking off, it needs to behave like Netflix does, where you don't have to buy any movies or games and just pay a monthly fee to stream them. Most of these services require you to buy the game on top of that monthly subscription fee; if you're gonna buy the game just save up for the hardware to run it on locally and you'll have a lot less problems.

    80. Adrian Cristian Toma

      About Shadow? Nothing?